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post #1 of 7 (permalink) Old 16-Sep-2019, 02:50 PM (826) Thread Starter
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Change coming too Helmets?

Helmet manufacturers have been playing with the same technology for over thirty years. It appears some radical changes are in the wind. Concussions were in the past never considered to be the threat they are now recognized to be. Helmets were constructed to prevent skull fracture, basically.

There are a couple if new technologies now emerging. One of the most promising is WaveCel. The company is now producing bicycle helmets but has plans to produce snow sport and motorcycle helmets. It was mentioned that the bicycle helmet sells for around $300? Hey...I've got a $700 Shoei on my cranium! I say yes to improved helmet technology.

https://wavecel.com/

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This is not that new. The dirt world has had this stuff for a while. My bell dirt helmet has the mips tech. They have it in street helmets as well. Look at 6D helmets. They have all kinds of little suspension towers between the liner and the shell. Hopefully, 6D gets an adventure helmet in the works soon.
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helmet liners

I saw an article the other day where the liner was made with a honeycomb material that would perform pretty much the same way.
The liner was capable of compacting in a more controlled manner that spread out the force of the impact better than traditional
foam.

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This is not that new. The dirt world has had this stuff for a while. My bell dirt helmet has the mips tech.
Au contraire: MIPS/6D you reference is yet another foam technology. Not to discount that being an improvement over what is traditionally found in "state of the art" road helmets, including Schubert, Shoei and others, all stuck on foam liners between the plastic and your skull. WaveCel may not be the end all/be all material but it is a highly engineered and tested NON FOAM material that may well be a massive improvement to foam solutions. Impact point force is only part of the problem. Restricting rotational force of the floating brain mass inside the bone cage is the next frontier.

My suspicion/opinion is that major helmet manufacturers chase DOT/Snell/ECE standards for that god almighty sticker but have stalled out on advanced technology. As usual, governmental specifications trail technology.

My question to you is why should/do dirt riders have better brain mass protection than all other riders, especially if the technology to provide same, "Is not new"?
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Au contraire: MIPS/6D you reference is yet another foam technology. Not to discount that being an improvement over what is traditionally found in "state of the art" road helmets, including Schubert, Shoei and others, all stuck on foam liners between the plastic and your skull. WaveCel may not be the end all/be all material but it is a highly engineered and tested NON FOAM material that may well be a massive improvement to foam solutions. Impact point force is only part of the problem. Restricting rotational force of the floating brain mass inside the bone cage is the next frontier.

My suspicion/opinion is that major helmet manufacturers chase DOT/Snell/ECE standards for that god almighty sticker but have stalled out on advanced technology. As usual, governmental specifications trail technology.

My question to you is why should/do dirt riders have better brain mass protection than all other riders, especially if the technology to provide same, "Is not new"?
Yeah.....You're right.

https://www.6dhelmets.com/innovation/

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We toured the Klim headquarters in Idaho last summer. They showed how they are experimenting with wave cell. It holds promise of reducing weight and bulk while increasing protection. One issue is that when it does its job it is destructive and will need to be replaced.
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The WaveCel bicycle helmets now on the market cost $300. One can only guess what a WaveCel Motorcycle helmet might cost, assuming it is the real deal? My understanding is that if your helmet takes a significant impact you are supposed to retire it. That's a $700 retirement party for say a Shoei Neotec. Who knows what a replacement WaveCel liner would cost or what the threshold for replacement is? I also wonder what the statistics look like for brain injury while wearing a current technology DOT helmet as a percentage of crash injuries.

Back to the positive....better helmets mean safer riding.
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