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While I like the analog, as jetspeed said, it is mostly useless. I use the right side for current consumption on top and usually range on the bottom, though I will scroll through tire pressures and voltage output engine temp. The speedo's numbers are way too small and the speedo on the gps is accurate.

Yes, I realize the NAV x can show those things, but the NAV x does not offer XM radio, so I have the 665--if it had XM, I'd have the NAV

I would not have any problem with something the size of a mini i pad to replace the dash, especially if I could configure its "desktop" to my liking.

ORs and most acute care units have had digital readouts, traces, curves, on TFTs for decades. They are very configurable and obviously easily read, and reliable out the wazou. There are very very few analog dials left and they are for mostly measures that are static. I would be totally comfortable with a big-a$$ TFT display. Not something to trade for, but if offered, I'm there.
Does the new TFT provide satellite radio capability?
 

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I just bought a 2017 GSA with the analog gauges, I'm coming off a few motorcycles that have TFT displays; Ducati Monster 1200, Tiger XCx, and a Honda Africa Twin.

When it comes to the GSA, I'd have opted for the TFT IF the cost was the same as the analog. I find the analog speedo is too small to see if I'm going 40, 50, or 60 mph. Kinda important if there are police around. I'm usually 10 over the speed limit... Maybe I'll get used to it after awhile... I liked the Display on the Africa Twin. Nice layout and easy to see the important info. My Tiger XCx's display was a bit small so it was hard to see, but was bright enough. My Ducati the TFT was drowned out in bright daylight, so it was useless most of the time.
Hey man I also came to the GS from a Ducati Monster 1200s 2014 model. The TFT was basically invisible on that bike. I set up my Nav VI to show the Map screen that displays your speed on the bottom right. ALso, I have RAM mini ball mount adapter to hold my Radar Detector. I then plug my earplugs to the radar detector and connect to the nav VI with the sena 10u.
 

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I can't read a billboard without corrective lenses and even with, my vision at 71 years is not my strongest suite. It certainly keeps me off the road at night. That said, I completed an 11,000 mile ride this summer and found the analog display supplemented with the Nav VI to be most adequate. My corrected vision is no where near 20/20, the requirement for military pilots.

I could easily see the speed needle when necessary but generally used the GPS/Nav VI number out of convenience given the multitude of information, in addition to speed, it offers.

No objection here to the digital display but given it's reported weak mapping ability, I would still look for a more accomplished map/gps facility rather than depend on the current iteration of the TFT display and I'm no fan of Garmin excepting their aircraft flight deck arrays.

Where strict adherence to speed limits is required, common sense and survival instinct keeps me in line. When one can wind it up, the difference between 81 and 85mph is not an issue:nerd:
My escort radar detector has saved my ass many times.
 

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I wanted the analogue dashboard because I prefer dials (yes I am also old school) and did not want (or did not feel the need) to pay for the TFT.

However, my GSA came with a TFT (showroom piece) and I could not choose.

Having had it, and it does have a fair share of initial user experience issues, I think the display is bright and information is clear (which is the main function of any dashboard anyway).

So guys, I think it is an advancement in "technology" and of course there will be change-resistance. But overall, I think it is a right step forward for an advance technology-laden motorcycle.

Imagine if BMW did not come up with the TFT screen, then there will be another bunch of haters who whack BMW for being backward.

Stay cool, and ride. I will be posting more about TFT issues and learnings here soon.
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Oh ya, I think I need to finally buy a BT headset for my helmet to complete the Trilogy.
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I just finished test driving (and ultimately ordered) a 2018 GSA with the TFT. I currently own a 2015 and like others, have a hard time reading the analog gauges. I do like analog gauges but the ones on the GS are just too darn small for me to read. That being said, the new TFT display is simply amazing. It's bright, has no glare and does not wash out in the sun. And, the speed is displayed in nice big bold numerals right in front of me :smile2: It seems like I am constantly speeding so watching my speed is a must lol. Time to put the '15 on the market!
 

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I just had the opportunity to choose as I ordered my new GS (arriving in February).
I am all for new technology but I think this is something of a personal preference. In my case I do not care for the connectivity aspect.
I do use the GPS so if the TFT had a GPS/map inbuilt I would love it. Maybe next iteration of the instrument cluster.
For the time being however, and for this type of bike, I asked many people what they thought suited this bike better and 95% of people I asked, said the analogue suited this bike better.
I may be showing my age, but I also prefer the analogue displays too.
On top of all that, the TFT was (in my case) extra $$
So I chose the analogue display.
 

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More Fragile goodies only makes a crash expensive

I like the new TFT look but doubt if I will trade up just to get one. The newest Nav VI on the other hand might be worth selling mine V and upgrading as I have read the screen is far more readable in sunlight. That said , I would comment that the cost of replacement parts on these wonderful Beemers has all of a sudden reached a point of absurdity in my view and if you don't believe it wait till you have a relatively light crash and see how little it takes to declare your 20 K bike you just bought a Total write off. It is very upsetting to know I am riding around on such a fragile enterprise and makes the idea of going off road on an adventure in a whole new light. It takes surprising little to bend the newest frame , possibly due to the every pressure for designers to lighten the bike and more and more plastic should reduce cost but just the opposite is happening; Just for shids and grins I ran the numbers to replace the parts of my bike at retail level and all in not counting tires fluids or fasteners the total for the hard parts was over 70K . Not counting labor or soft parts it would cost over a hundred grand to get a dealer to build one of these guys from the parts department and that just seems wrong for a bike that is supposed to be designed to go out and play in the rock pile . Rant over.
 

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I like the new TFT look but doubt if I will trade up just to get one. The newest Nav VI on the other hand might be worth selling mine V and upgrading as I have read the screen is far more readable in sunlight. That said , I would comment that the cost of replacement parts on these wonderful Beemers has all of a sudden reached a point of absurdity in my view and if you don't believe it wait till you have a relatively light crash and see how little it takes to declare your 20 K bike you just bought a Total write off. It is very upsetting to know I am riding around on such a fragile enterprise and makes the idea of going off road on an adventure in a whole new light. It takes surprising little to bend the newest frame , possibly due to the every pressure for designers to lighten the bike and more and more plastic should reduce cost but just the opposite is happening; Just for shids and grins I ran the numbers to replace the parts of my bike at retail level and all in not counting tires fluids or fasteners the total for the hard parts was over 70K . Not counting labor or soft parts it would cost over a hundred grand to get a dealer to build one of these guys from the parts department and that just seems wrong for a bike that is supposed to be designed to go out and play in the rock pile . Rant over.
I am afraid thats the case for all bikes (and cars these days)
A few years ago I bought a little Kawasaki Versys 650 to ship overseas and go on a few rides. Before I got to do that, a woman reversed into it at a car park (shopping mall) and the bike fell over. The cost to replace the plastics was more than half of what the bike was worth. Her insurance still paid for it...
 

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I am afraid thats the case for all bikes (and cars these days)
A few years ago I bought a little Kawasaki Versys 650 to ship overseas and go on a few rides. Before I got to do that, a woman reversed into it at a car park (shopping mall) and the bike fell over. The cost to replace the plastics was more than half of what the bike was worth. Her insurance still paid for it...
I am having an issue now were i installed SW Motech lower crash bars. I saw a pic were the bottom of the valve covers still get damaged. Somebody said replacing them is 1500.00 dollars. WTF this is the part that is most likely to touch down in any tip over. Now I am looking for more protection for the valve covers to go together with the SW Motech bars.
 

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Well I finally got to see a bike with the TFT. Haven't ridden it, but was shown how it works, and I have to say it looks pretty amazing. Bright, detailed, and things that need your attention (puncture, low fuel...) flash up and are obvious. It all seems much more intuitive than the analog version.
An upgrade/change of bike is not on the cards, but if it was, I'd seriously consider the option. Money not being an issue it would be a no-brainer :smile2:
 

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I don't know with 100% certainty, but I think it does not...weird since most cars have that built in
No the TFT does not have Sirius/XM radio. If it did I might have gone there. Additionally BMW has not figured out how to put it on their Garmin based GPS units which is lame considering the 8 year old Garmin Zumo 665 I just sold had the radio built in. Come on BMW step up already.
 

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SiriusXM is likely left off the BMW Nav devices for the simple reason that the service is not available anyplace other than the U.S and Canada so why add the additional expense of implementing it into the GPS when customers in other regions can't use it.
 

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SiriusXM is likely left off the BMW Nav devices for the simple reason that the service is not available anyplace other than the U.S and Canada so why add the additional expense of implementing it into the GPS when customers in other regions can't use it.
Makes sense, when you take into account the projected sales figures for 2018:

From:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/606311/motorcycle-sales-projection-globally-by-region/

it looks like North America is going to be about 1.5 % of world motorcycle sales.
Most of the action now is happening in Asia.
But those are probably mostly cheaper models.
 

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BMW sales almost 10% of their bikes in the U.S, the reason Asia appears to be so strong is that places like India, China, Thailand and other countries in that region buy up cheap crap and scooters like they're going out of style.
 

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BMW sales almost 10% of their bikes in the U.S, the reason Asia appears to be so strong is that places like India, China, Thailand and other countries in that region buy up cheap crap and scooters like they're going out of style.
Lol Jetspeed and to get a bmw here in India you also have to trade in your kidneys!
The TFT option here is Rs 90,000/- which translates to $1500
TFT looks cool but somehow for me analog still is cool! The old school charm seeing the needles move up cannot be replicated by numbers....but I guess each to his own and eventually TFT will replace the analog
 
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