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Hi,

Last few months I am trying to make up my mind which BMW bike should I buy. I used to ride Valkyrie in the late nineties. I did not like the turbine like sound of the engine, (everything else was OK) so I sold it. Now in my mid-sixties I decided to go for a BMW. First I was inclined to go for the in line six GT or GTL. Then I heard the Bagger is coming out soon. I fell in love with the Bagger when I first saw its pics. As it happened a friend of mine bought GS in the meantime. I tried it and I liked it. Now I am not sure anymore what I want. To make things more complicated 1600 (from what I can hear on the youtube) also has this turbine sound like Valkyrie.
Wonder what is producing this kind of irritating sound - the water pump?

I need the bike for fun. My idea of fun is riding short distances mostly on paved roads, mostly on highway, some local roads, and occasionally some off road riding (maybe).

Since I had a six before I like the idea of 1600. It is probably least suitable for my intended kind of riding. But I just like those bikes.

GS is something heavy on my mind since recently. Please, will somebody convince me that this is (or is not) the bike for me?
 

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Depends on local roads

1600 is heavy and loves big sweepers, but on tight roads GS shines and great on high speed sweepers plus still has plenty of low end grunt.
 

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Before your to old

Don't let life pass you buy...the GS is the bike for you..you will feel younger,stronger and alert..no bike offers more fun..can be as rowdy or tame as you'd like it..can carry more gear than any other bike and strips naked fast when your in the mood !!

GS owners don't need Viagra. :wink2:
 

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I just sold my K1600GTL and I loved it. It's heavy but not clumsy at low speeds like a cruiser. The sound of that engine is intoxicating and the power will definitely surprise you. However I too find myself unsure between a new K1600gt and an R1200 GSA....... I don't think you would be disappointed either way.
 

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From the detail of the riding you intend, I'd suggest the basic roadster, the r1200r. IMO, next to the GS, it is the closest to a do everything bike and for a lower price point. You don't say how tall you are. The roadster fits a shorter rider better than an taller one.
 

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Weight and height

I am 130 kg and 172 cm.

Tried GS with medium high seat and I could almost put my feet flat on the ground.

I am afraid I would look funny on r1200r. But I think you are right1200r is my third choice.
 

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What are you waiting for?

Dude, Im only 62 and wonder how many years can I swing my leg over... I love riding off road, I was just out in the mountains for the 4th. I can tell you, this bike will carry you down the highway, down the dirt road and up the trail. Its awesome.

When your 80 get the cruser, let the old guys ride them on the pavement.
 

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Its the most comfortable versatile bike i have experienced. 2 up and gentle or shaking the cobwebs out shit loads of grunt without a chain
 

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Wanna make a right decision. Have to loose some weight. Today tried to sit on a 1200r. Definitely too small a bike for me. Tried to sit on a GS with the lowest seat. Still my feet not planted on the floor. That leaves 1600b and GS in the game (but with further custom sliced seat). Will rent the GS over the next weekend for a day and will see what happens. Thank you for support people!
 

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there's the low suspension model. I have that and am about your height. I put on the Sargent low seat--the oem low seat was intolerable. I can 90-100% flat foot
 

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Rented a 2015 GS with 25000 km last Sunday. Paid for a whole day. Was disappointed. Returned the bike after 50 miles. My problems with the bike :

1) Engine sounds like it is falling apart.
2) Klutch too f....n loud
3) Not enough space for me on the seat. My ba..s were in the tank when going downhill and braking.
4) when changing gear on closing throttle engine braking is so much to make a ride not pleasant smooth but choppy.
5) Suspension too hard. I wanted soft slow ride in RAIN mode. But computer figured out "better".

Is it just me?
 

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Rented a 2015 GS with 25000 km last Sunday. Paid for a whole day. Was disappointed. Returned the bike after 50 miles. My problems with the bike :

1) Engine sounds like it is falling apart.
2) Klutch too f....n loud
3) Not enough space for me on the seat. My ba..s were in the tank when going downhill and braking.
4) when changing gear on closing throttle engine braking is so much to make a ride not pleasant smooth but choppy.
5) Suspension too hard. I wanted soft slow ride in RAIN mode. But computer figured out "better".

Is it just me?
1) Yep - can't disagree on that one, engine noise is not a strong point I find
2) Not sure I see any distinction with point 1 - is there a clutch noise?
3) both driver and passenger seats can be ajusted. The passenger seat can be pushed backwards, giving more room. Personally, I find there is loads of space. What bike are you used to driving? I really don't see an issue there!
4) The huge compression twin has massive engine braking. It takes so getting used to, especially if you come from à 4 cylinder bike. If find it useful, as long as the throttle isn't jabby and the bike doesn't surge at low revs, a problem that some seem to have (although balancing the twin really helps on the smoothness apparently)
5) When not run in, the suspension is apparently a little hard. Personally I have the manual setup, which I just find superb in terms of confort/road holding.

The bike has it kwirks, some get to live with them, some don't! I find the engine and mechanical noises the most frustrating, and the lack of smoothness low down, with the occasional surging. I'm working on all of those issues which are more or less encountered depending on the model and the work done on it.
 

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Wanted to say transmission noise. Too loud CLUNK every time you switch gear. It is terrible .
 

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The throttle cuts off suddenly when closing. I am not used to this. Had a Valkyrie some 20 yrs ago. As far as I remember it was very smoooooth! Mechanical throttle.
It seems they did not perfect this electronic thing. How can they put it on the market like this?
 

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Valkyrie is carbureted. The BMW uses EFI in addition to fly-by-wire throttle control. It takes some practice getting used to the instant on/off of the beemer. Even with practice I don't think the BMW will ever be as smooth as the the gentle ramp up of power you get with a carbureted bike. However, I have no problem going back and forth between my GS and my carbureted DR650.

As for noise... the beemer is noisy. Wear earplugs. They make the bike run better.

Ergonomics are an individual thing. The bike may not fit you. If that is the case look elsewhere. You might be more comfortable on a sport (lean forward) or cruiser (lean back) style of bike.
 

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all of the following is said with respect and not meant to flame; your experience is your experience and in no way do I mean to belittle your observations...

But...

Any of the boxer engines will have those characteristics of noises--sometimes like a box of loose tools, and performance, eg, the engine braking, that will surely bother you--you sold your valkyrie because it sounded like a turbine--I suspect they all do that and most riders would just accept that, right? But, you didn't accept that. The clatter of the boxer, I think you might find more bothersome. They all do that to some degree and some are bothered by it, others not so much.

All of the trannys on boxers "clunk" especially when accessing 1st. There are tricks to minimize it, but expect the clunk to be there.
The engine braking is a characteristic of the engine---those are big-a$$ pistons, they will slow you down. I personally really like the engine braking, use it often, and it's been the same on the three boxers I've owned over the years.

The ergos are the ergos; changing a seat or bar risers or different foot pegs are all $$$$ on top of $$$$$ for the bike. How was the windscreen, you didn't list that as a complaint, but some c/o it.

Your gentlemen being crushed in the tank may be related to whether the nose of the seat is up or down, there's a setting on some GS's for that, but your complaints are characteristics of the bike, and it could be the engine braking sliding you forward. You shouldn't have to wear a cup to ride a boxer.

The GS is a wonderful bike...just ask us! It is not for everyone though. Most here somewhat grudgingly accept its foibles, and would prefer the engine to be quieter, the shifting to be quieter, but neither is a deal breaker for GS riders

Maybe if it has to be a BMW, try one of the parallel twins or inline 4s?

Again, please don't take the above as any kind of insult, not at all meant to be. It could be a GS, or a boxer engine, is not for you?:smile2:

John

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Thank you all for input. I will try 1600 b at the first opportunity. Not giving up on GS
Before boxers used to have the better sound. I like the sound of R68:

 

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If the gear whine of the 1600 bothers you, go faster and then faster still, that whine turns into a lovely growl. Shipped my K1600GT (originally was going to be my GSA), to Frankfurt and quickly hit the autobahn to get the heck out of FRA, lovely motor. Currently in the Vosges area of France and making the GT growl every chance I get, it is a very fine touring bike with a splash of sport to keep it interesting.
 

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Hey, slowriding, are you still gonna look into the dynamic brake light? Les Vosges are beautiful. You're hitting the small towns I suppose? Ornan? Montbilliard?
 

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Dr S, not going to happen, I don't have the GSA here in Europe. The original plan was to bring the GSA for a tour and then ship it back to the USA. That plan turned into leaving a bike in Europe for a few years and coming back each summer to get out of the AZ summer heat. While I can live without the K1600GT for extended periods, I can't bear to be without my GSA for that long.

Yes, all small towns heading south. Started to ride the Route des Grande Alpes but woke this AM to rain. 30 years in Seattle, I don't do rain and why I retired to AZ. I got on the motorway and got out of Dodge and am now in Narbonne, France. Tomorrow I will be in the Pyrenees heading for the Picos de Europa and then double back to finish the Route des GA. Then off to the Alps and Dolomites on my way to the Balkans and beyond.
 
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