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I am looking to hear about other peoples' feedback about off-road training. Specifically about BMW Performance Center vs Rawhyde. In particular, I would like to compare the actual skill training received at both. I know BMW has a 2 day off road class so I'm thinking that would be the closest to Rawhyde's intro to adventure class. Has anyone taken both?

Thanks for your input. I did a search here with no luck, and hoping this is an appropriate category thread.
 

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I've taken the 2 day class at BMW in SC using their 1200GS and the class was exceptional. I came away with the confidence to take my 1200GS into places I would not have gone otherwise. It's that good. Their facility and hospitality there is also top notch.

I took my GS there and back on the Blue Ridge Parkway but rode their bike in the class - something I would highly recommend. You'll have a lot less trepidation about dropping it and I was more willing to do some of the challenging things they had on the program knowing it was their bike :)

I hear good things about the Rawhyde school as well.

BMW offers a substantial discount if you're a BMWMOA member.
 

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I went to the BMW Performance center in Greer. Rawhyde looks fun, but too far away at that time.

Wear something lightweight (long sleeved Klim has a couple of good enduro style shirts with padding, I wish I had them) and boots with good support. Don't over dress, the heat and activity, seriously, light weight gear and gloves will do unless it's the beginning of spring or late fall. You do need fair knee padding although you'd really have to f*ck up to get hurt (and by that I mean doing really stupid shit).

You'll be standing on pegs most of the time. Don't wear touring style boots. You really want to rent their bike. Everyone drops a bike, some more than others. A good ADV helmet is preferable since they breath more than a regular helmet. A regular helmet will smell horrible at the end of one day, trust me.

The entire team was very professional and highly skilled. You'll spend time on exercise by show and tell, then several iterations of the task following by breaks, drink plenty of water, stretch a bit. You'll move to the next task by going on enduro (trail rides). A few hills are quite large, don't be intimidated by them, motor through it. Peer pressure helped me :grin2: Nobody got injured, one person freaked out and left on day 1, I assume he wasn't really mentally prepped and it wasn't really that difficult a task (triple mogul hills about waist high.) Nobody forces anyone to do anything, but you'll want to do everything. It's more of a mental challenge that requires being comfortable on the bike. You'll get that level of comfort. From my personal experience I was amazed at what I could do on the bike and what the bike could do. It really boosts your confidence. Confidence is 80 percent of the tasks. I'd like to go back at some point as a refresh.

You will be tired at the end of the day. Wouldn't recommend drinking a few beers after day one, you pass the hell out, wait to the 2nd day is over. I was in fairly good shape and you'll get tired for sure.

I'm sure either course is worth the time and price. It's money well spent. And the lunches are quite good in Greer.

Greer has a BMW Museum, gift shop discount (BMWMOA Members) and I think a factory tour.

Also, if you are a BMW MOA member you can apply for the "Paul B. Scholarship" at least 3 months out and get a $250 discount after completion.

https://www.bmwmoa.org/page/paulb
 

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I did RawHyde Level 1 in California last May. One day was rained out, they gave me a credit to come back anytime.
They said all the items were covered in the one day, just didn't get as many reps as we would have gotten in two days. I felt really confident with what we had done. I rode my bike, but they had rentals if you choose to go that route. Facilities and staff were top notch.
Food, drink, and bunk room is included in your fee. It seems expensive but I would do it again. Everybody eats meals together and hangs out in the bar afterwards, a camaraderie develops.
I signed up for the follow on two day ride after the Level 1 training and I opted to take a rain check due incoming weather and I had to beat feet home before I couldn't get out. I am heading to their Colorado compound In August to complete my two day ride.
 

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Took the Rawhyde Adventure course with a couple of friends back in March- the intro class on Friday afternoon, the Level 1 training on Saturday and Sunday, and the Base Camp Alpha ride on Monday and Tuesday, renting 1 of their 1250 GSs.
The training and instructors were first- rate, and the facilities were as advertised- bunkhouse like sleeping, group meals (great food) and lots of camaraderie. Training was intense but definitely fun. You'll drop your bike (have a "get off") at least once, but everyone rallies around you and helps you get the bike up (easier than you would think) and back going again. You're up on the pegs for about 90% of the time, so prepare accordingly. I'm in average to decent shape, and while we trained hard I wasn't anywhere near as sore as I thought I'd be.
Base Camp Alpha trip was an awesome ride, although I did a hard "get off" in some deep sand early on that I didn't see coming and ended up with what looked/felt like a really bad ankle sprain. I was still able to complete the 2 day ride although I avoided some of the really tough spots for fear of further damaging the ankle. After returning home and going to the ER to get the sprain checked out, it turned out that I had actually broken my fibula. In spite of that I still think the whole experience was fantastic, and would recommend it to anyone. Costly? May seem that way at first, but after experiencing the quality instruction, great riding and the great staff, it was a bargain.
 

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Thank you all for the information. I did take the one day road and one day off road courses at the Bmw Performance Center a few months ago. It was everything I expected and then some. I am registered for Rawhyde CO in August. I did ride the fence a bit about whether to do Rawhyde, or maybe go back to Greer for a two day. Either way, I benefit, and Rawhyde is in my own state, so I'm looking forward to it.

On a side note, I did recently take a one day intermediate skills class with another national training company. Honestly, the day riding is always nice, but the quality of what was just not anywhere near what I got from a day at BMW.
 

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A buddy and I are heading to the RawHyde facility in late August for the intro course, we are riding up from Austin and plan to do some of the off road routes near Salida in the days around the camp and a segment or two of the NMBRD routes on the way home. Looking forward to it.

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I recently completed the Pine Barrens Adventure camp 101 course in Southern New Jersey - $575 for two days. You got to bring your own bike.
Good course to learn enduro basics, including equipment and bike ergonomics. Very experienced and skilled coaches. They got lots of deep sand which is “skill building”. And they ride trails and explain plenty of useful do’s and dont’s to avoid unnecessary risks + how to get through or out of a difficult spot.
I went to ride the MABDR afterwards without any difficulty - ‘could not have done that without the training.
Will surely go to their advanced course!





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My schedule didn’t match the advertised dates for a 2 ½ day Intro to Adventure Class at RawHyde – California, so I booked a one day individual class. Though I missed out on the camaraderie of sharing the experience with potential new riding friends, I was able to successfully complete everything that the 2 ½ day class offered in one day (but I was a tired rider after that one day). It was great to have one-on-one instruction. I also rented their bike for the day as not to thrash my bike, but in the end, I only dropped their rental bike once and that was in the sand pit. I’m new to this type of big bike ADV riding and RawHyde taught me what the big bike can do. The folks at RawHyde-California treated me like family from the second I stepped onto their property and because of that I am seriously looking into what other riding classes/trips they offer.
 

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My schedule didn’t match the advertised dates for a 2 ½ day Intro to Adventure Class at RawHyde – California, so I booked a one day individual class. Though I missed out on the camaraderie of sharing the experience with potential new riding friends, I was able to successfully complete everything that the 2 ½ day class offered in one day (but I was a tired rider after that one day). It was great to have one-on-one instruction. I also rented their bike for the day as not to thrash my bike, but in the end, I only dropped their rental bike once and that was in the sand pit. I’m new to this type of big bike ADV riding and RawHyde taught me what the big bike can do. The folks at RawHyde-California treated me like family from the second I stepped onto their property and because of that I am seriously looking into what other riding classes/trips they offer.
RawHyde's High Rockies Adventure rides (two day rides) at their Colorado compound are great also.

https://rawhyde-offroad.com/trainings/colorado/high-rockies-adventure-ride
 

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I did RawHyde Level 1 in California last May. One day was rained out, they gave me a credit to come back anytime...

...I signed up for the follow on two day ride after the Level 1 training and I opted to take a rain check due incoming weather and I had to beat feet home before I couldn't get out.
Mark, I think we were in the same class! I did the follow-on two-day ride. First day was great, but the second day we got hammered by high winds and couldn't do some of the planned ridge riding. It was very unusual SoCal weather that weekend!
 

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Mark, I think we were in the same class! I did the follow-on two-day ride. First day was great, but the second day we got hammered by high winds and couldn't do some of the planned ridge riding. It was very unusual SoCal weather that weekend!
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Yea it was some strange SoCal weather that weekend. Atleast we got part of one good day in. The winds getting through the Mojave area to get to RawHyde almost made me turnaround. Wasnt much better getting home either until I got farther north. There were big rigs and campers littering the ditches on my way home.
Great time though.
 

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MAN!!!! You guys got me wanting to take the BMW SC course......I'll be checking into that, I live about 40 miles from them!!!! That would be a blast!!! :laugh2::laugh2:
You should go for it. These types of classes may seem expensive, but they are a better investment than any bike mods or farkles.

Really helps with your confidence offroad and you get to meet other ADV guys at a similar skill level as yourself.
 
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