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About seven months ago I posted a questionnaire that asked you GS riders about your travel habits and then got your opinion on a a single-wheel ADV trailer. Of the 200 responses we took, the GS community gave us the most feedback. A good number of you wanted to shoot me and then burn me at the stake for even thinking about a trailer. Another good amount said they might want one. Enough were in the latter camp, that we have moved forward and started a company:

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We started with a dream of what we wanted. I wanted to be able to travel for months all over the world two-up with my wife. We've all seen photos and videos of people doing these kinds of trips and the cantilevered mountain of gear on the back of their bikes. I didn't want that. My wife and I rode bicycles around the world in 1989-90...we know lightweight travel. But we aren't in our 20's any more and I want to bring a damn chair and a decent sized tent with me when I camp.

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After countless sketches and models and trips back to the drawing board, we designed the trailer we always wanted, with no compromises. It’ll take you and your traveling companions from Prudhoe Bay to Ushuaia. North Cape to Cape Town. Land’s End to Vladivostok (via the Chunnel, of course). We’re designing a trailer to take on fire roads and the expressway—travel anywhere you want to go.
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We’ve put so much time and effort into the design, it’s impossible to count the versions. Here are just a few of the features we've put in:
  • 6061-T6 aluminum construction for lightweight ruggedness.
  • An amazing locking hitch for easy mounting/dismounting, even if the trailer and bike are on their side. It will also work with every ADV bike with a hollow rear axle, including 1250 GSs.
  • A design that takes the weight of your gear off your bike’s suspension.
  • A custom-built Warp 9® 17” spoked wheel that will fit a wide variety of tires.
  • A horizontal air shock for easy adjustment to whatever weight you’re carrying.
  • A mounting plate system that will accept all the most popular hard and soft panniers.
  • A system to allow carrying dry bags, a cooler, Rotopax® for spare gas and water, or pretty much whatever you want.
  • Lockable internal storage with charging ports.
  • Room for two spare tires so you can easily change to knobbies when you get to the beginning of the Dempster Highway.
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We Are Bringing Our Trailer to BMW MOA in Great Falls
Stop by our booth...we'd love to hear your thoughts! And, full disclosure, I ride a Super Tenere and will be looking for someone to loan me their bike during the day for our booth so we can show our GS hitch.

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So what's the general cost? Looks wonderful.
Glad you like it!

We are still nailing down cost of goods, so we don't have pricing yet, and I my partners would kill me if I speculated at this point. We will have pricing at the MOA rally for sure. Some things to keep in mind: the wheel alone is expensive—that's without the tire. It's a 100% custom wheel made for us by Warp9. It has to be custom because what we need doesn't exist off-the-shelf. Essentially we need a front hub paired with a 17" rear wheel, which means custom spokes. We are looking for a cast wheel to allow us to offer a less expensive option.

We also will likely have a low-end and a high-end air shock options. They will be air shocks to allow for adjusting the preload to whatever weight you're carrying. You likely know what a really good air shock costs.
 

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Tweaking your design for a standard wheel would be good, both for your cost structure and service parts. Not sure the load you need to carry but a standard (tubeless) wheel off a Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha, etc is worth a look.
 

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Tweaking your design for a standard wheel would be good, both for your cost structure and service parts. Not sure the load you need to carry but a standard (tubeless) wheel off a Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha, etc is worth a look.
Thanks for the comments! We've definitely tried to find a stock front wheel, but it's not going to work out. Also, none of those companies will just sell 100 front wheels. The hub we are using mirrors exactly KTM specs, so all KTM parts can be used for maintenance and repairs.
 

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why one wheel v.s two wheels that is more stable and will carry the weight better. I can just imagine the tongue weight of this compared to the 2 wheel option, what happens when you lean taking a turn how does the lean of the single wheel react on the bike or is it independent of the towing vehicle. I find the ball type tow mechanism much more robust and time tested and have seen many long-haul folks use it. Need to the advantages and disadvantages of a single wheel design...

Looks very cool and interesting, but need to know an in-depth analysis of all the forces involved in a single line wheel system.

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Hello Javvy,

I could talk/type for hours on the questions you asked, but below is a link to a YouTube video of a similar trailer prototype (it never went into production) to what we're building. I think it will demonstrate the difference between 1 and 2 wheels quite clearly.

The main thing you may not realize is the trailer leans with the bike. The trailer can pivot in all ways except it stays on the same vertical axis as the bike.


Thanks!
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An update After the third trademark attorney told us it'd be a good idea to change our name...we finally took note and have changed our name to Pasq.

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And, the prototype of our single-wheel ADV trailer is done and nearly ready for MOA in Great Falls. Here's a video of the final assembly and the maiden voyage.

 

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I've gotten a couple of questions...so here are some answers.

The trailer acts like a roof rack for your bike. We have mounting plates that will accept all the major pannier makers and rotopax, a shelf-system to make it easy to carry coolers or dry bags on the sides, and of course you have the waterproof internal storage and the flat top to strap gear to. We have gotten quite a few requests to be able to mount bicycles to the sides or top, so we will likely make something to do that...maybe even small kayaks.

You will also be able to carry two spare tires over the hitch. And it has a 17" rear tire, which won't be carrying much weight, so it can act as a spare as well.

It comes with an air shock with adjustable rebound. We'll have an on-board electric pump that will let you set the preload for whatever weight you're carrying, and it'll act as the pump for your bike tires as well.

Many more features and benefits...we'll be doing more videos to show them.

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I've gotten a couple of questions...so here are some answers.

The trailer acts like a roof rack for your bike. We have mounting plates that will accept all the major pannier makers and rotopax, a shelf-system to make it easy to carry coolers or dry bags on the sides, and of course you have the waterproof internal storage and the flat top to strap gear to. We have gotten quite a few requests to be able to mount bicycles to the sides or top, so we will likely make something to do that...maybe even small kayaks.

You will also be able to carry two spare tires over the hitch. And it has a 17" rear tire, which won't be carrying much weight, so it can act as a spare as well.

It comes with an air shock with adjustable rebound. We'll have an on-board electric pump that will let you set the preload for whatever weight you're carrying, and it'll act as the pump for your bike tires as well.

Many more features and benefits...we'll be doing more videos to show them.

Sign up for email updates at www.pasqadventure.com
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I’m thinking your trailer would make an excellent addition to my current project. Following 😎
 

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I saw your design. Great.
May I suggest to reduce the front bracket attached to center hub rear wheel.
You have too much clearance with rear tyre. That is useless, and give additionnal efforts on the bushings of rear wheel arm of 1200gs.

When your trailer to be available on the market ?
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I saw your design. Great.
May I suggest to reduce the front bracket attached to center hub rear wheel.
You have too much clearance with rear tyre. That is useless, and give additionnal efforts on the bushings of rear wheel arm of 1200gs.

When your trailer to be available on the market ?
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Hello Pierre,

Sorry for the very slow response. You can see our latest video on the trailer at
. We have reduced the clearance as you suggested. We had it that long originally so it would clear all rear fenders, lights, etc on a wide variety of bikes. But, for stability we've shortened it.

We are in the final phase of completing the 2nd round of prototypes that will include a lot of improvements. Our goal is to pull it around to a lot of shows this summer, and begin taking orders in July or Aug for delivery in late 2022 or early 2023.
 

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Have you come closer to an estimate of cost on the trailer? What is the approximate weight of it empty as well as the maximum suggested weight?

Also, can you compare and contrast the advantages/disadvantages of this type of trailer versus one of the other single wheel systems that I call the reverse wheelbarrow when on normal roads?

This information would help decide if I might come up to the show in Bend, OR in July.

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Hello Mark,

Thanks for your continued interest! I'll start with a new video of the ADV1 on a bit more rugged road.


An update: we are in the middle of two very large version 2 design/development/testing processes.
  1. We are redesigning the pivot between the hitch and the trailer. We've been really pleased with the stability we're getting from the v1 pivot, but after a ton of testing and research we've decided to at least give a totally different design a try. We finished the design yesterday and will have the fabricated parts in a couple of weeks to begin testing. We are hoping it will make even higher highway speeds possible and even more stable.

  2. We are changing how we produce the frame. Version 1 was made from welded laser-cut aluminum tubing, which is extremely expensive to make (laser cut tubes are unimaginably expensive), requires extremely skilled labor, and is heavier. We are redesigning so we can cut the sides and cross pieces of the frame from 3/8" aluminum plate using an industrial CNC router. The resulting frame will be less expensive to make, lighter, and stiffer. It will also mean we can more easily make design changes and/or other sizes of trailers. The look of the trailer won't change much.
These two major changes are in the works and we don't feel we can go to production until they are done and thoroughly tested.

That is all context for answering your questions:
  • Price - This is extremely difficult to nail down due to the design changes above, the massive cost jumps in aluminum and stainless, and simply just getting quotes for some parts. Often we simply don't hear back from vendors we ask for quotes. But we are pushing on! Also, we are using only the best of the best of everything. The Fox shock is going to cost us around $500, even when we buy them in the hundreds. The wheel and tire will cost us (buying in bulk) about $400 if we go tubed, and tubeless would be about $600. With all that info as background, we are shooting for the ADV1 to come in around $7500.

  • Weight - Until we have the final v2 prototype assembled, we won't know for sure. However, our goal is to have it (including the 30 lb wheel and tire) come in under 100 lbs. Our v1 prototype was 112 lbs.

  • Carrying Capacity - The ADV1 will be capable of carrying much more weight than we would recommend. At this point, we are doing more testing, but at this point we will likely recommend no more than 100 lbs. However, more testing is needed before we give our final number—the new pivot will have an impact on this.

  • Thoughts on design - Most of the good single wheel trailers out there are either intended to be pulled behind an enduro bike on twisty trails, or they are intended to be 100% on-road. We are trying to make a perfect hybrid, just like your GS. Our goal has been for the ADV1 to be able to do everything your GS will do: highways, BDRs, and everything in between. It is not designed to be pulled up a narrow single-track into the mountains, but it is designed to climb the fire roads in those same mountains.

    Secondly, the ADV1 is designed to be a roof rack for your bike: that you're able to use the equipment you already have (the BMW, Jesse, GiantLoop panniers, the dry bags, coolers, etc you already have). We know that people will design all kinds of stuff to "bolt onto" the ADV1. The #1 request we've had so far is for a bicycle mount. I'm not sure if we'll end up making one, or someone will beat us to the punch and make one that will attach, but I'm sure there will be one at some point! That's the kind of flexibility we wanted to bring to the GS and all ADV bikes.
I am setting up for Overland Expo West today! Depending on how it goes, we will decide if the expense of going to OE PNW will be worth it. If you haven't signed up for our newsletter, please do at pasqadventure.com and we'll let everyone know where we'll be showing the ADV1 this summer. If we do go (and I think we probably will) we will likely be showing the ADV1 with the new frame and pivot.

You can also write to me directly at rod at pasqadventure dot com.

Thanks!
Rod
 

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So that trailer didn't pan out. The site is dead.
the youtube channel has a link to pasqadventure [dot] com and that page is alive, indicates they are going to be at the following places

Overland Expo Mountain West
August 26-28 2022 in Loveland, CO
BMW Riders Association National Rally
Sept 28-Oct 2, 2022 in Waynesville, NC
BMW MOA Motorrad Fest
October 6-8, 2022 in Lebanon, Tennessee

...and looks like you can reserve one as they expect to start production Q4 2022.
 

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Thank you for checking on how we're doing...and it gives me the rare opportunity to type that smarmy French phrase, Au contraire!!

You couldn't find us because we had to change names. We are now proudly Pasq® and the trailer is called the ADV1.

But, we are alive, and kicking hind ends! We have a trailer that will do 80 mph (maybe more...but I'll never admit to it) and also go down the vast majority of BDR routes (here's a video showing this or here is our whole YouTube channel) as it's pulled behind any GS (or any ADV bike for that matter).

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So far this year we have:
  • Filed for three patents - the most important of these is a trapezoid hinge. You can see a proof of concept of this in a recent email blast. A glimpse of what it will look like in the final project can be seen in our most recent newsletter.
  • Displayed at the BMW MOA in Springfield, MO (why weren't you there??) ;)
  • Displayed at the Overland Expo West in Flagstaff, where we made at least one "Best of Overland Expo West" lists and a short part in our friends (the Notiers) video!
  • Received a trademark for Pasq®.
  • Have developed a partnership for lighting and wiring harnesses with Denali Electronics.
  • Have developed partnerships with Jesse Panniers and GiantLoop.
  • Gotten about 30k in video views on YouTube.
  • We were interviewed by Wes Flemming of the BMW MOA podcast, Chasing the Horizon. Here you can hear my backstory, what Pasq means, and tons of other stuff about the ADV1.
  • We were approached by one of the largest moto-aftermarket distributors in the US (they reach into 8000 shops and retailers) and we're in discussions for them to distribute the ADV1.
Also, as you can see on our website, we'll be displaying the ADV1 at three more events this year. Join us at:
  • Overland Expo Mountain West - August 26-28 2022 in Loveland, CO
  • BMW Riders Association National Rally - Sept 28-Oct 2, 2022 in Waynesville, NC
  • NCBMW MOA Motorrad Fest - Oct 6-8, 2022 in Lebanon, TN
Where we stand now:
As you can see in our most recent newsletter, we are nearly complete with our final CAD design of our final prototype. From our prototyping, we have learned a ton about building a superlative ADV trailer. We are making a lot of changes for our next—and final—prototype. We hope to have it behind my bike by the middle of Sept and doing a ton of testing.​
If all goes according to plan, in late Sept or early Oct we hope to start taking preorders for our first, small production run. Production would start in Nov or Dec and delivery would be in Q1 of 2023.​
Because this is a blatant product pitch, it may be removed. Hopefully because you asked, it won't, but we'll see. You can contact me through the website or at [email protected].​
 
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