[Jay Pang]

BMW GSA 1200 2016 model:
Hi,
i experience engine stall/die off when i was about to move off from traffic light.
anyone experience before? What is the remedies?

 

[Houdini]

Stalling

There is no specific remedy for this so it's hard to offer suggestions. You could start by describing:
How does the bike go under all other conditions?
Does the bike display any other symptoms?
How good is the quality of the fuel you are using?
Are you riding in RAIN or ROAD mode?
Could it be as simple as an "operator error"?

 

[Jota]

These bikes are set up to run lean and as such prone to stalling when pulling away from a stop. Some are worse than others. This may be the problem. There are some fixes available but from what I have seen AF-Xied is the best option. Cheers

 

[JetSpeed]

Known issue that is caused by applying inadequate throttle as you launch, these bikes are funny this way everything seems normal and the bike starts to get rolling and the motor immediately dies....just dies. Give it a bit more gas and it will be fine.

 

[ExHarley Rider]

Mine takes more throttle to leave from a stop light/sign than other bikes I have had, took a while to get used to it especially after the K1600 which had about 50% more torque.

 

[BMW]

I thought it was just me. How can we fix this? Do not tell me to give it more throttle please.

 

[JetSpeed]

Take a video of the bike killing when you launch so we can see exactly what it is that's occurring, otherwise this is all academic.
Make certain to have a good view of the instruments.

 

[BMW]

These bikes are set up to run lean and as such prone to stalling when pulling away from a stop. Some are worse than others. This may be the problem. There are some fixes available but from what I have seen AF-Xied is the best option. Cheers

Looks like this is the case.

Here is one guy who installed it on his GS:

There seem to be all kinds of good reviews on this thing.
The bike at factory setup is not the best for riding experience. It is obviously set up at some kind of compromise setting between riding exp/environment protection regs.
No wonder Inuits hate Greenpeace.
But I suppose the old dogs here already know all about this AF-Xied thing?

 

[JetSpeed]

The AF-XIED does not work with 2014 and newer R1200GS's.
It appears that BMW made a software update that renders devices like this (sensor data manipulators) completely ineffective.

 

[Southpaw]

I thought it was just me. How can we fix this? Do not tell me to give it more throttle please.

What is your launch RPM?

 

[BMW]

Well, I am not sure, 2-3000 Rpm. Most of the time, I just listen to the sound.
When I try to make it as quiet as possible, thing just dies on me sometimes. Last time it died when I tried to start and turn right at the same time. Needles to say I dropped the bike. Contributing factor to this drop was, as I figured later, a fact that I was going from higher ground (out of parking lot, over pedestrian footway to the lower street surface. When the bike died, I leaned to the right and could not find the foot support because where my foot was supposed to touch the ground there was even lower drainage channel. So by
the time I found the foot support the bike was leaned too far to the right and too heavy to hold. :surprise:

 

[BMW]

Talked to a guy and he suggested this:

centralina SMART IAT - www.belinassu.it

Sorry it is in Italian, and I do not have a clue. Will try google translate. But maybe somebody here knows the language?

 

[Southpaw]

Well, I am not sure, 2-3000 Rpm. Most of the time, I just listen to the sound.
When I try to make it as quiet as possible, thing just dies on me sometimes. Last time it died when I tried to start and turn right at the same time. Needles to say I dropped the bike. Contributing factor to this drop was, as I figured later, a fact that I was going from higher ground (out of parking lot, over pedestrian footway to the lower street surface. When the bike died, I leaned to the right and could not find the foot support because where my foot was supposed to touch the ground there was even lower drainage channel. So by
the time I found the foot support the bike was leaned too far to the right and too heavy to hold. :surprise:

Hopefully your problem is riding style rather than bike defect. A slight slipping ( or feathering) of the clutch on my '05 and an initial rpm of 1500 - 2000 with a throttle increase as it rolls ensures my smooth launch. I will admit that low rpm launches have caused me to embarrassingly chug to a dead stop. These motors are tight and look for a reason to chug. I find that admirable as opposed to low horsepower low torque bikes that require a high rpm launch. A low speed 2nd gear roll causes a desire to chug and stall. This was my first boxer motor bike and took a slight adjustment in style. 2 years later it seems 2nd nature and normal.

PS;
Now that you have dropped it, you are in the club with the rest of us.

 

[marcimark]

It happened to me the first time since I own the bike!
Simple explanation.... not enough throttle opening.

Never happened to me on the R1200R LC and not on the GS until today.
I just did a 2,000KM trip through Tasmania and did not have one issue.

Goes down in the chapter "Rider Error" Simple as that.

 

[Jota]

Guys ... its not rider error. You shouldn't need to rev the fanny out of a motor to get it rolling. The tuning on the LC is lean and has a definite flat spot just off idle which makes it prone to stalling from stand still. None of my other bikes have been this bad and its a real disappointment that I have to spend more money to fix it. The latest AF-Xied I am told by Nightrider will be available in 4-6 weeks which will work with the latest models. I'll be forking out for it cause I want a bike with some reliable grunt off the bottom. As a by the way ... I rode this bike overland from Dubai to Australia and it was super reliable , however what a handful fully loaded with gear , wife and hair dryer through the Himalayas of North India. Zero low end grunt at altitude. Love the bike but the warts are annoying which I expect will be removed as models are updated.

 

[BMW]

Guys ... its not rider error. You shouldn't need to rev the fanny out of a motor to get it rolling. The tuning on the LC is lean and has a definite flat spot just off idle which makes it prone to stalling from stand still. None of my other bikes have been this bad and its a real disappointment that I have to spend more money to fix it. The latest AF-Xied I am told by Nightrider will be available in 4-6 weeks which will work with the latest models. I'll be forking out for it cause I want a bike with some reliable grunt off the bottom. As a by the way ... I rode this bike overland from Dubai to Australia and it was super reliable , however what a handful fully loaded with gear , wife and hair dryer through the Himalayas of North India. Zero low end grunt at altitude. Love the bike but the warts are annoying which I expect will be removed as models are updated.

I was about to "like" this post. Then I realised there is no "Very very like" button here which this post deserves! But I will "like" it.

To suggest to just add more throttle on start is the same as suggesting to aid start by pushing it a little bit. No one should be doing this. This is a flaw which should be fixed. Period. Those vehicle manufacturers are pushed by ridiculous characters like GreenPeace loosers to ever higher standards of exhaust air quality. The technology just can not keep up with this. Therefore VW lies on diesel emissions etc...
BMW produces bikes which you have to push to get going or look ridiculous by adding disproportionate amount of throttle. It is just not right.
Italian smart IAT sensor apparently works on water cooled new GS. (unless anybody here has other experience). It sends a signal of lower intake air temperature (more (lower) on high, less on low air temps) which richens the mixture and makes the engine work normally.

 

[JetSpeed]

Guys ... its not rider error. You shouldn't need to rev the fanny out of a motor to get it rolling. The tuning on the LC is lean and has a definite flat spot just off idle which makes it prone to stalling from stand still. None of my other bikes have been this bad and its a real disappointment that I have to spend more money to fix it. The latest AF-Xied I am told by Nightrider will be available in 4-6 weeks which will work with the latest models. I'll be forking out for it cause I want a bike with some reliable grunt off the bottom. As a by the way ... I rode this bike overland from Dubai to Australia and it was super reliable , however what a handful fully loaded with gear , wife and hair dryer through the Himalayas of North India. Zero low end grunt at altitude. Love the bike but the warts are annoying which I expect will be removed as models are updated.

Evidently the term "overland" doesn't mean what I thought it did.

I came off a 2005 GS that did not have any tendency to die when launching, the 2013 would die suddenly and was the source of several embarrassing moments for me at first, it is a known issue that even BMW attempted to address by installing a heavier flywheel on later models, the reality is that BMW tuned this new LC motor to run best at higher RPM's since that's what a vast majority of customers use the bike for and a side effect is poor low RPM performance, installing a fueling device may improve throttle response but it isn't going to provide any additional power down low.

The bottom line is to just give the bike a bit more throttle when you launch, the oil bathed clutch is built for it.

 

[PCyr]

Just my two cents - I have not encountered this issue (2014 GS) but will pay closer attention to rpms at take off. I have stalled at take off more often than I care to admit, and sure enough when I look down at the panel - 2nd gear. THAT, is operator error!

 

[BMW]

Throttle response

Yesterday I added SAE connector directly to battery terminals. Not without problems.
After reconnecting the battery, did time and date setup. Also, I did something a guy on youtube suggested and that is "teach the computer" about throttle min and max position. I do not know if in 2017. model 1200 GS it should be done or not, but I did it. Now my throttle response seems to be better. There is no that much initial throttle delay. Is this real or just my imagination?

 

[Crucian]

My out of the dealer ride collected 11,000 miles on a new '17GSA. No way to quantify roll outs from a full stop but let's call it plenty. I can recall perhaps half a dozen chug outs and felt at the moment they were all due to relative throttle inattention. It's so damn easy with the hydraulically operated wet clutch to post sufficient rpms and modulate the clutch for a smooth take off.

That said, during the first third of my ride I dropped the bike three times. All three were when I was coming to a stop on uneven terrain and couldn't find the ground with my foot. The worst of the three was making a left turn into the Grand Coulee dam parking area. The lane is slanted way left, no oncoming traffic and a camper turning ahead of me came to an abrupt stop. Brake, put foot down into thin air and over she went. I think (?) after that I got my brain in sync with terrain and my foot and avoided any more problems.

I am in total disagreement with anyone that doesn't think vehicular pollution controls are necessary. Call me a loser........