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Hello All,

I'd like everyone's experience and opinion on HOW OFTEN they actually do the valve clearance check.

Manual says YEARLY, and it seems like it's too many times and very costly, cause even if you don't adjust anything you still have to replace the valve cover gaskets etc...

i do my own maintenance, but I'm planning to do that specific one at the dealer even though it's really not that complicated and i have feeler gauges and all that. I'm thinking to do it once every 2 YEARS. not yearly or every 18k miles to $24000 (assuming i drove 12k miles a year)


How often have you done it on your bike? what is the year and mileage of your bike, have you done it yourself, or at the dealer?

thanks
 
I did all of my 12k miles service except for the valve check. I was getting a tire at Big Sky BMW, Missoula recently, right at 12k miles and asked them about it. They said that they've only seen one bike need valve service at that mileage and this particular nbike had some serious issues, much more than valves out of adj.

Because our bikes have shims, I questioned them about that also: is there just one size? do you have to buy a set, IOW what's the deal on it?
They told me they don't even carry shims in stock, that if a bike needed them replaced they would have to order them. They felt it wasn't worth the hassle of keeping them in inventory because it just wasn't that common of a "wear" item. And they said that they come in different sizes, so a measurement must be done to determine what shim would be needed, if replacment was necessary.

Does that sound right? It was clearly what they said. I didn't misunderstand.

So, now it is 3k miles later and I'll probably pull the covers and check them, keeping fingers crossed, but if anyone has any insight to support Big Sky's impression, I'd be interested.

Thanks

John
 
Discussion starter · #6 ·
It isn't necessary to replace the gaskets every inspection. Wipe them down and reinstall...they're pretty tough will last numerous times. Manual suggest every 12,000 miles...go by miles not time for valve checks. After second check (24,000 miles) without much movement I'd go to that 18,000 interval as you mentioned.
thats a good plan i guess,

do it at 12k, 24k, then start doing it once per 2 years or once every 18k. (depends on the miles per yeaR)

regarding the gaskets, it should be replaced. it's not about tough, it's about rubber being torqued in and changing shape.

luckily however, on GS the cylinder head is outside and if you do have a gasket failure you will see the leak and then replace it!
 
Discussion starter · #7 ·
I did all of my 12k miles service except for the valve check. I was getting a tire at Big Sky BMW, Missoula recently, right at 12k miles and asked them about it. They said that they've only seen one bike need valve service at that mileage and this particular nbike had some serious issues, much more than valves out of adj.


Thanks

John
I only know one person who has 2 GS, both liquid cooled and he never done the valve service.

but yea it's all about PEACE OF MIND hehe.. :D so i dont know.
i'm at 5500 miles now, so my next service is just engine oil change in 500 miles and i'm going to do that myself.
by the time i get to 12k, ill see!
but i asked bmw, they told me it's about $200 to $350 (with adjustments if needed) so it's not tooooo bad...
the whole 12k service is $700. but i will do the engine oil, gear oil, air filter myself and take it in for valve inspection only.
and they charge $140 for gaskets. they gave me the estimate. it's about $75 per valve cover gasket. WAY TOO MUCH.
 
I've had the valves checked twice along with safety check for peace of mind. I do all the other maintenance. The first one cost $350 because they didn't reuse gasket and second time $150 reusing gasket. Unless the gasket gets hard, I say reuse it!
 
FYI, 6k service, on newer models, includes flushing the brake fluid and reading of codes. A GS 911 pays for itself on that one service.

yes, peace of mind is sometimes more elusive than an enjoyable meal with Brad and Angelina.

The gaskets are hard to begin with, unless they changed the material; they are plastic. They last tens of thousands of miles of miles.
 
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I've had the valves checked twice along with safety check for peace of mind. I do all the other maintenance. The first one cost $350 because they didn't reuse gasket and second time $150 reusing gasket. Unless the gasket gets hard, I say reuse it!
my dealer didnt give me the option to decide on whether re-use or not re-use the gasket

what's your year and mileage?
 
Discussion starter · #14 ·
FYI, 6k service, on newer models, includes flushing the brake fluid and reading of codes. A GS 911 pays for itself on that one service.

yes, peace of mind is sometimes more elusive than an enjoyable meal with Brad and Angelina.

The gaskets are hard to begin with, unless they changed the material; they are plastic. They last tens of thousands of miles of miles.
oh now I see what you mean with flushing the breaks and Gs911.

You only meant reading the codes with GS911.

I can flush the break fluids, but break fluid i think should be by year 1 or year 2. dot 4 last pretty long and is less susceptible to water absorption compared to dot3. but it's an easy task and i already have a brake bleeder pump and all.

I think i will inspect it and that's about it for the 6k. when time comes for the 12k i will do everything + the valve check (at the dealer)


I checked my codes on 911 yesterday, i needed to reprogram my tpms using it and i did it while we are at it. no codes here.

thanks!
 
re the gaskets...
going on my experience with an 1150 and a 1200, both roadsters. the gaskets are made of a hard plastic material, nothing soft. They last. The torque values for the bikes mentioned were like 8 and 10 nM. In fact, on one of the bikes, I think it was the 1150, I replaced them after 10s of thousands of miles for no reason other than "just because they were that old," and had some buyer's regret. It seemed to me that the old ones fit better than the new ones because, I thought, they had settled in and took the shape of the small imperfections of the cover and base. I ultimately saved the old ones, and they still hang on the garage wall. Neither the new ones nor old ones leaked. Both old and new looked the same condition, the new ones did not look "new" nor did the old ones look "old."
I am "assuming" that the material for the GS is the same, and the torque values are similar---someone please correct if that is an incorrect assumption. I have not yet removed on my 16 GS so can't comment on personal experience with it.

Re the brake flush
The brake flush is on the list for the 6k service. In the past it was just "inspect," but on the newer bikes the FIRST 6k service states clearly "replace." Subsequent it is time and inspect.

re the GS911
The GS911 does not aid in the brake flush, but part of every service is to read the fault codes, which the GS911 does. It's pricey, but addresses the "peace of mind" dept nicely. Example, after a recent trip, I started having the experience of the bike not starting on the first throw of the starter. Also, I noticed at slow speeds she behaved sluggishly (like a pig with distemper) when navigating tight spaces, made the actual handling tricky and I almost went over on a simple neighborhood turn because of it.

I thought maybe it was some bad gas, from somewhere in a derelict gas station in NE NM, only had 86, and I only put in a gallon or so. When home I put in some seafoam and it corrected the issue so far I think--ie handling and power like new now. BUT...I wanted to see if anything untoward was going on, so I slipped in the GS911 and ran the fault codes, and all was fine.
--->>> Peace of mind.

Aside: for years I knew of the GS911 and because it's pricey ($350 ish) I resisted. When I got the GS, I bit the bullet and got one when I took delivery-it's price paled in comparison to the bike's and the WAF (wife acceptance factor) was easier at initial outlay than later. I am really glad I have it though, admittedly, it does far more than I understand. Just to be able to read the fault codes is worth the price. It eliminated the trip (75 miles x2) to the dealer for the 6k and 12k service as it was the only "service" I otherwise could not perform. And my time is cheaper than the dealer's, and I enjoy getting to know the bike.

I REALLY wish the GS911 could turn on the Dynamic Brake Light. It cannot, it seems.
If some euro guys have a hack for that, please post!
 
Discussion starter · #18 ·
re the gaskets...
going on my experience with an 1150 and a 1200, both roadsters. the gaskets are made of a hard plastic ma, and I enjoy getting to know the bike.

I REALLY wish the GS911 could turn on the Dynamic Brake Light. It cannot, it seems.
If some euro guys have a hack for that, please post!
dynamic brake light as in, it flashes when you stop?
my friend has that, but it does it on an extra light he added. maybe it's just a small chip with it.

btw, shouldn't the bike itself, set the engine light or error light on your dash if you have an issue?

that is, if there is an issue, you don't need GS911 to know there is an issue cause the light in your dash will light up if there is, GS911 will tell you what the issue is. so you only need to scan it if you see a light on your dash,

same as the car, you dont need to plug an OBDII scanner unless check engine light is on!.
 
Every 6000 miles.

Oh, valve lash, that's a hot topic. I do mine every 6000 miles regardless of time. I find the lash tends to drift around a bit on the R bikes (GS and RT) but never on the F650.

- John
 
Discussion starter · #20 ·
Oh, valve lash, that's a hot topic. I do mine every 6000 miles regardless of time. I find the lash tends to drift around a bit on the R bikes (GS and RT) but never on the F650.

- John
yourself or by the dealer? do you put new gasketS?
did you ever need to adjust the vavles?

what's the year and mileage of your bike
 
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