New guy here with a question regarding tail light modulators/flashers. I did a search and didn't find any recent posts. I am considering adding this to my 2016 r1200GS. I would like advice on this subject. Thank you in advance.
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Flashing Tail Lights
It's called "Dynamic Brake Taillight", and as far as I know it's just a software upgrade. I am not certain if it's available in the USA.
See it here.
BMW Motorrad International
- John
See it here.
BMW Motorrad International
- John
So far NOT ava in the US. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
Internet word is our Dept of Transportation is holding it up. Causes for the hold up vary, but include the freq of the flash. I've written to NHSTA- or whatever the acronym is, and to the DOT, explaining it's a safety issue, ava in Europe, etc. Got nowhere.
I've tried to find out if it is just a switch in existing software, new software or firmware, or hardware. Got nowhere.
I have been reluctant to pay for some third party solution to a regulatory govt issue that makes no apparent sense.
It's there, on your bike already, or could be.
I've even tried asking if it could be hacked, again nothing.
Internet word is our Dept of Transportation is holding it up. Causes for the hold up vary, but include the freq of the flash. I've written to NHSTA- or whatever the acronym is, and to the DOT, explaining it's a safety issue, ava in Europe, etc. Got nowhere.
I've tried to find out if it is just a switch in existing software, new software or firmware, or hardware. Got nowhere.
I have been reluctant to pay for some third party solution to a regulatory govt issue that makes no apparent sense.
It's there, on your bike already, or could be.
I've even tried asking if it could be hacked, again nothing.
When I was a kid I designed the electronic part of a gizmo called a Q-Stop Light. It was a bar with 4 1157 lamps, I used 5 mercury switch capsules each one bent at a slightly deeper angle to act as a "decelerometer" The faster you were slowing the faster the Q-Brake Light would flash. Otherwise it was just a accessory tail light/brake light combo. It got placed in production, I understand that someone took credit for the design, eager to see how it had been improved I bought one. The impressive paperwork that came with it told all bout how some MIT professor had "invented" this revolutionary important answer to safety...bla, bla, bla. Then, just tell me, why were my initials still on the artwork that made the PCB?
Was it legal then maybe? Now, most likely not. They are worried about epileptic people having seizures behind the wheel. Really? At least that's what I was told.
Here:
https://rideapart.com/articles/gear-brake-practical-use
- John.
Was it legal then maybe? Now, most likely not. They are worried about epileptic people having seizures behind the wheel. Really? At least that's what I was told.
Here:
https://rideapart.com/articles/gear-brake-practical-use
- John.
I was going to just "like" the above, but it deserves a big fat "GEEZ" - our government at work! Maybe that's just urban legend, I hope.
yes, flashing lights can trigger a seizure in some epileptics (3%?), but to use that as an excuse for this significant safety asset is quite a stretch considering all the specifics that would need to come together for that scenario to happen. What about Christmas lights, or strobes in clubs, or those flashing "safety" bike lights or the third party strobes for our bikes that have been on the market for YEARS. I had a similar device called the BRAKE! on my r1150r in 2004
... and there are epileptics in Europe too. It appears that
https://www.google.com/search?q=fla...ights+triggering+epileptic&aqs=chrome..69i57.18083j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
certain frequencies can be the culprit, but I would think the BMW engineers and regulators in Germany would have worked that out? Drives home the point that politicians made in our recent elections that some government regulations are a real PITA with little discernible benefit and often making a situation worse in unintended ways.
sort of OT...IN Charity Hospital here in NOLa (very famous in Katrina stories), in the basement, along a hallway, there is a long stripe about 30 feet long, guessing-maybe longer, and about 3 inches tall with alternating black and then white rectangles, each about 3"tall x 6"ish long. It had been there in the early 70s (when I was in training and asked wtf is this?) long enough that it was just a curiosity, begging the question: Why did they paint this? The answer was that in far former days-the building was a "modern marvel" when it was built in the mid 30s, epileptic patients were put on a stretcher and rolled along that stripe, creating visual input of alternating black and white "lights" to elicit a seizure for study.
It was no longer used for that purpose by the time I asked and most people didn't have any idea what it was for, and it probably didn't work so well.
John
yes, flashing lights can trigger a seizure in some epileptics (3%?), but to use that as an excuse for this significant safety asset is quite a stretch considering all the specifics that would need to come together for that scenario to happen. What about Christmas lights, or strobes in clubs, or those flashing "safety" bike lights or the third party strobes for our bikes that have been on the market for YEARS. I had a similar device called the BRAKE! on my r1150r in 2004
... and there are epileptics in Europe too. It appears that
https://www.google.com/search?q=fla...ights+triggering+epileptic&aqs=chrome..69i57.18083j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
certain frequencies can be the culprit, but I would think the BMW engineers and regulators in Germany would have worked that out? Drives home the point that politicians made in our recent elections that some government regulations are a real PITA with little discernible benefit and often making a situation worse in unintended ways.
sort of OT...IN Charity Hospital here in NOLa (very famous in Katrina stories), in the basement, along a hallway, there is a long stripe about 30 feet long, guessing-maybe longer, and about 3 inches tall with alternating black and then white rectangles, each about 3"tall x 6"ish long. It had been there in the early 70s (when I was in training and asked wtf is this?) long enough that it was just a curiosity, begging the question: Why did they paint this? The answer was that in far former days-the building was a "modern marvel" when it was built in the mid 30s, epileptic patients were put on a stretcher and rolled along that stripe, creating visual input of alternating black and white "lights" to elicit a seizure for study.
It was no longer used for that purpose by the time I asked and most people didn't have any idea what it was for, and it probably didn't work so well.
John
I heard rumor that the 2017 models will have the Dynamic Brake Lighting mode available for the US market...
Another product available from Clearwater Lights.
https://clearwaterlights.com/collections/all-products
Amazing what these guys can make.
https://clearwaterlights.com/collections/all-products
Amazing what these guys can make.
Take a look at the Skene P3. Cost is about $150, super easy to install, and work great! I purchased the type that ties in with the turn signals so the corresponding side flashes along with the turn signal.
Skene Design Motorcycle Visibility Lights
Picked mine up at a BMW dealership, and went home and installed them in about 30 minutes.
Skene Design Motorcycle Visibility Lights
Picked mine up at a BMW dealership, and went home and installed them in about 30 minutes.
BackOff! Brake light modulator
I've not messed with the electronics on this new bike - but would something like this work? I had it on my Hayabusa and I like it.
I find I use a lot of engine braking on a motorcycle, I would prefer something that would activate the brake light based on inertial changes - so the cars behind me noticed I was slowing even if I wasn't braking. Is there anything out there like that? I've seen the Vololight - but that's just a license plate frame - not sure how good it would be, and the website says BMW's CANBUS system isn't compatible with the modular system - maybe it still is with the license plate frame version?
I've not messed with the electronics on this new bike - but would something like this work? I had it on my Hayabusa and I like it.
I find I use a lot of engine braking on a motorcycle, I would prefer something that would activate the brake light based on inertial changes - so the cars behind me noticed I was slowing even if I wasn't braking. Is there anything out there like that? I've seen the Vololight - but that's just a license plate frame - not sure how good it would be, and the website says BMW's CANBUS system isn't compatible with the modular system - maybe it still is with the license plate frame version?
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Thanks again for the replies. I just took my bike in for the 600mile inspection. They told me they have seen a lot of problems with DIY light flashing options and the electrical system. The problems seem to arise from improper installation. They didn't elaborate on "problems" but they said there were several different ways they could be hooked up and some interfere with the bike's electrical system. Sorry I can't be more specific but my lack of knowledge about these products and the electrical system of my bike doesn't allow for a very good explanation.
I recently installed the Clearwater Billy junior break light and I love it. It is very easy to install and you you can't customize it using the wiz wheel. I like that it has an inertial breaking mode that activates when you downshift.
hi everyone, newbie here and will be picking up my new 2016 R1200GSA maybe in a month, but more realistically April.
So my canadian dealer paperwork has an option called "control brake light". Does anyone know if this is the same as dynamic?
Curious if it is and why Canada would have it activated but not US
So my canadian dealer paperwork has an option called "control brake light". Does anyone know if this is the same as dynamic?
Curious if it is and why Canada would have it activated but not US
so I went in today to finalize my paperwork and asked about that listing "control brake light", and it is indeed the dynamic brake light which is part and parcel with ABS Pro.
However like the US, the Canadian version is N/A either. Guess the powers that be probably don't think we can distinguish the difference between a signal light and a brake light?
However like the US, the Canadian version is N/A either. Guess the powers that be probably don't think we can distinguish the difference between a signal light and a brake light?
my brake light flasher
This is my brake light mod.
I have a R1200GS 2010, with the led brake light
I have bought this brake light flasher.
https://www.banggood.com/12V-LED-Controller-Box-Flash-Module-Universal-Motorcycle-Car-Brake-Stop-Light-p-1045797.html?cur_warehouse=CN
cost $3.99 incl shipping
Its easy to attach into the wireing. When the brake lever is applied, the led brake light gives four short flashes,
followed by four slower flashes, and then goes steady on. The canbus generates no fault code :wink2:
This module works best with Led lights. I tried it also with a 21W brake light and the four short flashes are to quick for a normal lamp.
This is a quick video on our youtube channel:
BeemerTeam great rides
This is my brake light mod.
I have a R1200GS 2010, with the led brake light
I have bought this brake light flasher.
https://www.banggood.com/12V-LED-Controller-Box-Flash-Module-Universal-Motorcycle-Car-Brake-Stop-Light-p-1045797.html?cur_warehouse=CN
cost $3.99 incl shipping
Its easy to attach into the wireing. When the brake lever is applied, the led brake light gives four short flashes,
followed by four slower flashes, and then goes steady on. The canbus generates no fault code :wink2:
This module works best with Led lights. I tried it also with a 21W brake light and the four short flashes are to quick for a normal lamp.
This is a quick video on our youtube channel:
BeemerTeam great rides
I used a Whelen TIR3 LED mounted in place of the reflector on the rear (it fits perfectly) and wired up a Skene IQ160 which they no longer make as they have gone to more advanced controllers with some having nearly identical flashing/patterns as the BMW dynamic light and very reasonably priced.
https://www.skenelights.com/online-store/Controllers-c22720605
https://www.skenelights.com/online-store/Controllers-c22720605
Check out the Suprabrake3.
Plug and play and programmable. Works fine for me on a 2017 R1200GS. I will say the seat rail on the back has to come off but it's not a real issue, takes about 30 minutes.
SupaBrake-3 BMW motorcycle tail light modulators | vizi-tec
Plug and play and programmable. Works fine for me on a 2017 R1200GS. I will say the seat rail on the back has to come off but it's not a real issue, takes about 30 minutes.
SupaBrake-3 BMW motorcycle tail light modulators | vizi-tec
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